I feel the need to express my feelings about CLOWN atm......This is not an accusation towards anybody at all, but it would be nice if people would comment on this.....just to know if anybody else feels the same way or someone has a say to this.

First of all I would like to say: This didn't turn out the way I hoped it would....The merge to a big CLOWN guild.

And I know that there might be a few thinking: "Hmmmm.....she feels that way, cause she was rejected from the raid section"......Of Course I was sad when I saw the RL's list for the raid team. Everybody would be sad and I even felt angry about the way everything was handled. I had a great chance to join Exalted and group alot and when we joined CLOWN again I was on almost every single Kara-run, so yes I was very sad and angry, but hey now I'm part of the casual section and that's okey for now for me

But what is happening with the casual section? We haven't heard a single word from our "leader" since we started the casual section......no raids have been set up, no thoughts about what's going to happen now.....how come??

But the main thing is the whole Clown guild.....It seems to me that there is a raid section and a casual section, but nothing overall holding those two together.....wasn't that the whole idea?

The last couple of evenings I have been very aware of peoples behavior towards eachother.....concerning grouping and helping...
More than once I've heard people ingame asking for help to do some heroic instances and most of the times nobody aswered. I cannot help with heroic cause I haven't got any keys yet, but I know that alot of people have, and it surprices me alot to see noone answer when 23-28 people are online.....how come??

On the boards people are VERY silent except for some of the guys in the raid section, don't you have any comments on the things written on the board?:) I'll always remeber CLOWN members to be the ones who always have something to say about anything....that's mostly good and sometimes bad.....but the silence atm is scary.

I have thought about leaving CLOWN as it is now many times for the last few weeks and that makes me sad.....it shouldn't be that way....I feel a cold atmosphere from some of the people in the raid section and a lack of interest, maybe I'm wrong but that's the way I feel......

If anybody wants to comment on this, you are very welcome.....also in a pm if you don't want to say it here:)

As I said in the beginning...this is not to make anybiody angry or sad, I just needed to let you guys know how I feel about our guild atm....

BRING IN THE CLOWNSPIRIT AGAIN

Alessi, its never good to hear that someone isnt enjoying their time in the guild. I hope that you can get some of that feeling back soon.

From a personal perspective when someone says 'people are losing that clown spirit' it sometimes means 'I feel excluded'.

Possibly this could reflect your situation, although it may not.

The silence on guild chat can be a number of reasons. If people are in Kara, then they should be focusing on the raid, and solely the raid. People may be afk. People may be in a challenging instance. People may be midway through a PvP fight. I often scroll up in the chat window every now and again to see what's been going on, as I invariably miss stuff.

The boards...hmm now there is an enigma. I have made no secret in the past that I often found the clown boards destructive as they seemed to endlessly cycle without actually getting anywhere....emo on loop. When we were looking at the possibilities of merging with Clown from Exa, there were MANY worries that it was just the members of Exa who were posting. Don't know really. Clown boards have always been a bit more like that.

The only advice I can ever give to folks who feel excluded is to MAKE things happen. If you can't get a group because you log on half way through a night and many other folks are in an instance or are farming, then schedule one on the boards. Yup, post it up. Get it organised. Farming groups make the dullness of mote collection much more fun, more secure and a damned sight quicker etc. Try that and see if it works.

Once again I can only offer a personal view...its very easy to leave...it's harder and more rewarding to make things work.

If you don't like things...make them change. Small bits at a time...but make them change.

Thx for your comment Haegl.....

Here comes another one..

For me personal I have so much else to do then to play wow. Its spring, I got a new boat in the water. Work is killing me and I get a feeling I will not work here so much more..looking for a new job.

The timescale from the merge and 6months back in time was hard and in many ways destructive for the clowns that where left in the guild. Members left almost every day and morale was low. It drained the life and fun out of ppl (atleast me). Now we are all gathered again and Iam so happy about it. BUT the very same day I got a strange feeling that I needed a "vacation" from the game. I did not realise it then I belive but I see it clearly now. I will come back later but right now Iam not in the mood.. Maybe tomorrow? but it seems not..

If I feel it this way maybe others too? The raiding onces will ofc not.. but maybe the casual onces.. That would explain the low-acitivity .. In the "old" days it was mostly things pulled of by clowns that are in the raiding team or by ones like me who are taking a rest...

I would like to suggest the same as suggested above.. Make things happen. or harass the casual GM..

Well H, we both know that it is nearly impossible to get a group going for anything atm in Clown, regardless of the hour you're asking.

The first 2-3 weeks after the merge, before raid section was up and running, Clown really flowered again; in guildchat, on forum and by the raids/groups ingame ... It doesnt anymore ...
It merely seems like the raidteam do stuff together, also on non-raid days, and the casual Clown just minds their own business ...

By looking at the numbers of online people each night the past few weeks, it seems like the right time for the casual section to start do something together, otherwise the numbers of online ppl's will start to decrease ...

And it's not rocket sience that people starts to feel bad when being left out, i think we all would feel like that - it's just that those normally commenting on threads like this one haven't tried to be left out ingame

For me it's simple...
I plan everything always.
I got limited playdays and want to know what to do when logging in.

Farming must be done to be prepped.
I plan instances and ask in advance.

So I'm not the most helpful one, agreed.

Want me in a grp? Post it so I can plan ahead:)

That is me and how I do it to be able to get things done....
Hardly think I have done more than a handful logging ons trying to get a grp going for something.....

What is the sad bit is that I need to spend time grinding to be able to do the things I like the most. And there for can not help as much as I would like...

Sorry

did we not know this would come though? Did we not all agree that it was worth the price? some feeling left-out and not being judged correctly perhaps but still being in same guild? was it not that same way when ppl left clown for exalted in the first place? Nothing has gone to the worst. I still think setting up a raid for the casual part to kara would be great. its only 10 players.. hell I even see If I can join! Set one for next week and get ppl to sign up! Lets have fun again!!

Dem, try harder.

No posts about casual raids etc.

Organise.

Otherwise it's a cylic clown whine.

Adapt. Adopt. Advance.

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More than once I've heard people ingame asking for help to do some heroic instances and most of the times nobody aswered. I cannot help with heroic cause I haven't got any keys yet, but I know that alot of people have, and it surprices me alot to see noone answer when 23-28 people are online.....how come??

I have to agree with Vargas, at least when we are talking about heroic instances. Heroics take a lot of time, and I think many of us want to plan ahead.

I dont think it should be any problem to do orinary runs, if we do 5 man instances or quests we can start at 21.00 or 20.30 the days we dont have regular raids. To start with put a post both here and in group calander.

I totally agree with Alessi on this one.

The atmosphere has turned a lil colder. It is clear that hardcore raiders are numerically dominant in GC, and maybe because they are new, they don't feel compelled to greet and help like old clowns do.

I to have experienced the lack of help, and find it sad. It's not like the guild that I used to be part of.

I am a casual player, so therefor I have no problem with casual raiding being at a low. I do however have a problem with people having been turned down for raid section, having nowhere left to turn for help/raiding.

I think we should have some casual raids set up, and we need people to help out. Or else this system is obviously not working as intended.

Oh, and just wanted to add:

It's true that Pocket is a lil anal with planning stuff.

*hugs*

It would be really great to get some more views on this.......

My situation atm in wow's is very unhelpfull as well...

My work taking a lot of time for me atm. (Yes i'm often online.. but I'm not able to do anything in grp).
Beside that I have a small company (1 man a head, me and my self).. that also take some time.


I trying atm to get all farming I have to, to be a part of the raiding team (and raiding is the only part of WoW who get me stil playing it).




So beside all that I have't mutch time to be casual/helpfull...

I might missed you request for help Alessi, but I have't seen it... that for sure.

Levina- it's not about me not being able to get a group......I was just expressing my view on the times I have seen people ingame, not being answered by anyone about grouping!

But my post is about alot of other things- but maybe it's so long that people give up on reading it