Don't lock the post yet, I haven't replied

Firstly, good post Corny, I was gonna say something along those lines til I read that.

And secondly, Sasch, don't go bro, WoW and certainly TS won't be the same without you.

Too many ppl in CLOWN are taking too much too hard. Can we all stop taking what we read immediately to heart? When someone has a question or is puzzled by an action or a decision that has been taken, whether it be from a Student, Clown or Council Member then I see no reason why they can't get an answer without being flamed for it too. Sasch had some valid queries regarding Exalted even if they didn't necessarily have to be posted in here and from what I can see he's had some valid queries regarding his demotion too. Is it wrong for him to show concern for his guild, his friends or himself when issues like this arise? Ok sure, it's sparked a lot of aggro, but is that entirely his fault or is there more than just one person to blame maybe?

Alas I haven't seen what happened with Morri so I can't comment too much on that but I don't believe Sasch meant to hurt her. I'm not convinced he's that sort of person. All I can say is please come back and would a hug help?

Let's all just calm down a bit and remember, we're all friends here...no, scratch that, we're all bro's and sis's here. Bring in the CLOWNS!!!

Again...
What is my problem is.
Right or wrong. This punishment is an insult to all the students.
If the decision to punish in this case is valid, make it a punishment, not an insult to others.
Students have worked to get to be one. U have to show you are CLOWN material to be a student. One can't say ur good enough to be a student of clown, but not a full clown.

InYourPocket wrote:

Again... What is my problem is. Right or wrong. This punishment is an insult to all the students. If the decision to punish in this case is valid, make it a punishment, not an insult to others. Students have worked to get to be one. U have to show you are CLOWN material to be a student. One can't say ur good enough to be a student of clown, but not a full clown.

I hate to say it, but Inys point is valid.

Yeah, it's a good point. The council was really looking for a punishment that was more than a warning but less than kicking completely out of the guild.

In hindsight demoting may have been worse than kicking, as Sasch himself has said to me.

InYourPocket wrote:

Again... What is my problem is. Right or wrong. This punishment is an insult to all the students. If the decision to punish in this case is valid, make it a punishment, not an insult to others. Students have worked to get to be one. U have to show you are CLOWN material to be a student. One can't say ur good enough to be a student of clown, but not a full clown.

Very very very true...

This decision was taken in order to punish a CLOWN, wich is already wierd... I mean seeing poeple that takes the power to judge and condemn fellows... But on top without any forseeing on the impact the decision has on the rest of the guild. To show all students that a possible punishment for a full CLOWN is to be like them is really a shame to my eyes too.

I don t know if all that was wise at all (or yes, i think i know in fact)... I liked paggy s idea. There is still the "send crap" solution to warn poeple about their behavior, at least it s a clear warning, as long as it goes with a funny comment to make the point. I ll show Vargas what i mean by sending crap, just for the pleasure of it

THE ONE AND ONLY PUNISHMENT:

The guiltyn have to pay beers to the others at the RL.

If it is Farwan, he have to drink beer.

Hmmmm, what to say

First of i got to ask, with all this miss interpritation of what i have said on forums in the past and recent would qualify me for the same if not worse punishment that sach. That said like stated it can come across wrong but the intension is right. i think i know sach well and he is passionate about Clown and how it is and has done in WoW, wanting what he thinks, as we all do, is best for the Guild.

From what i saw of the post mentioned it was good feed back on what the guilds direction and purpose could be, also he was only asking a question not starting a war, this was done by the posts that follwed not sach.


I personaly think his status should be reinstated with a slap on the wrist attitude, as a warning, but if you cant air concerns/thoughts in clown forum were can you?

we are quick to focus on the know and not what the past has been, sach has done a hell of a lot for clown and that should be wieghed against what he has done.

This is no way a flame, as far as Morri i cant comment on what was said as i do not know, tho i did talk to sach about it and he assured me it was taken out of context and not amied at anyone, from what i know of sash i would say i have to believe him as it does not sound like him. I would imagine he was saying it to the guild what ever he was saying but ppl took it to heart

Anyway, please rethink this guys we are all adults and will never agree on everything but we all have big shoulders and reguardless of what goes on we are a good family of ppl when we want to be

love BW

there are many good posts about this subject but the council do not listen, i have tried, they stand by there decision.