I feel the need to express my feelings about CLOWN atm......This is not an accusation towards anybody at all, but it would be nice if people would comment on this.....just to know if anybody else feels the same way or someone has a say to this.

First of all I would like to say: This didn't turn out the way I hoped it would....The merge to a big CLOWN guild.

And I know that there might be a few thinking: "Hmmmm.....she feels that way, cause she was rejected from the raid section"......Of Course I was sad when I saw the RL's list for the raid team. Everybody would be sad and I even felt angry about the way everything was handled. I had a great chance to join Exalted and group alot and when we joined CLOWN again I was on almost every single Kara-run, so yes I was very sad and angry, but hey now I'm part of the casual section and that's okey for now for me

But what is happening with the casual section? We haven't heard a single word from our "leader" since we started the casual section......no raids have been set up, no thoughts about what's going to happen now.....how come??

But the main thing is the whole Clown guild.....It seems to me that there is a raid section and a casual section, but nothing overall holding those two together.....wasn't that the whole idea?

The last couple of evenings I have been very aware of peoples behavior towards eachother.....concerning grouping and helping...
More than once I've heard people ingame asking for help to do some heroic instances and most of the times nobody aswered. I cannot help with heroic cause I haven't got any keys yet, but I know that alot of people have, and it surprices me alot to see noone answer when 23-28 people are online.....how come??

On the boards people are VERY silent except for some of the guys in the raid section, don't you have any comments on the things written on the board?:) I'll always remeber CLOWN members to be the ones who always have something to say about anything....that's mostly good and sometimes bad.....but the silence atm is scary.

I have thought about leaving CLOWN as it is now many times for the last few weeks and that makes me sad.....it shouldn't be that way....I feel a cold atmosphere from some of the people in the raid section and a lack of interest, maybe I'm wrong but that's the way I feel......

If anybody wants to comment on this, you are very welcome.....also in a pm if you don't want to say it here:)

As I said in the beginning...this is not to make anybiody angry or sad, I just needed to let you guys know how I feel about our guild atm....

BRING IN THE CLOWNSPIRIT AGAIN

Alessi, its never good to hear that someone isnt enjoying their time in the guild. I hope that you can get some of that feeling back soon.

From a personal perspective when someone says 'people are losing that clown spirit' it sometimes means 'I feel excluded'.

Possibly this could reflect your situation, although it may not.

The silence on guild chat can be a number of reasons. If people are in Kara, then they should be focusing on the raid, and solely the raid. People may be afk. People may be in a challenging instance. People may be midway through a PvP fight. I often scroll up in the chat window every now and again to see what's been going on, as I invariably miss stuff.

The boards...hmm now there is an enigma. I have made no secret in the past that I often found the clown boards destructive as they seemed to endlessly cycle without actually getting anywhere....emo on loop. When we were looking at the possibilities of merging with Clown from Exa, there were MANY worries that it was just the members of Exa who were posting. Don't know really. Clown boards have always been a bit more like that.

The only advice I can ever give to folks who feel excluded is to MAKE things happen. If you can't get a group because you log on half way through a night and many other folks are in an instance or are farming, then schedule one on the boards. Yup, post it up. Get it organised. Farming groups make the dullness of mote collection much more fun, more secure and a damned sight quicker etc. Try that and see if it works.

Once again I can only offer a personal view...its very easy to leave...it's harder and more rewarding to make things work.

If you don't like things...make them change. Small bits at a time...but make them change.

Thx for your comment Haegl.....

Here comes another one..

For me personal I have so much else to do then to play wow. Its spring, I got a new boat in the water. Work is killing me and I get a feeling I will not work here so much more..looking for a new job.

The timescale from the merge and 6months back in time was hard and in many ways destructive for the clowns that where left in the guild. Members left almost every day and morale was low. It drained the life and fun out of ppl (atleast me). Now we are all gathered again and Iam so happy about it. BUT the very same day I got a strange feeling that I needed a "vacation" from the game. I did not realise it then I belive but I see it clearly now. I will come back later but right now Iam not in the mood.. Maybe tomorrow? but it seems not..

If I feel it this way maybe others too? The raiding onces will ofc not.. but maybe the casual onces.. That would explain the low-acitivity .. In the "old" days it was mostly things pulled of by clowns that are in the raiding team or by ones like me who are taking a rest...

I would like to suggest the same as suggested above.. Make things happen. or harass the casual GM..

Well H, we both know that it is nearly impossible to get a group going for anything atm in Clown, regardless of the hour you're asking.

The first 2-3 weeks after the merge, before raid section was up and running, Clown really flowered again; in guildchat, on forum and by the raids/groups ingame ... It doesnt anymore ...
It merely seems like the raidteam do stuff together, also on non-raid days, and the casual Clown just minds their own business ...

By looking at the numbers of online people each night the past few weeks, it seems like the right time for the casual section to start do something together, otherwise the numbers of online ppl's will start to decrease ...

And it's not rocket sience that people starts to feel bad when being left out, i think we all would feel like that - it's just that those normally commenting on threads like this one haven't tried to be left out ingame

For me it's simple...
I plan everything always.
I got limited playdays and want to know what to do when logging in.

Farming must be done to be prepped.
I plan instances and ask in advance.

So I'm not the most helpful one, agreed.

Want me in a grp? Post it so I can plan ahead:)

That is me and how I do it to be able to get things done....
Hardly think I have done more than a handful logging ons trying to get a grp going for something.....

What is the sad bit is that I need to spend time grinding to be able to do the things I like the most. And there for can not help as much as I would like...

Sorry

did we not know this would come though? Did we not all agree that it was worth the price? some feeling left-out and not being judged correctly perhaps but still being in same guild? was it not that same way when ppl left clown for exalted in the first place? Nothing has gone to the worst. I still think setting up a raid for the casual part to kara would be great. its only 10 players.. hell I even see If I can join! Set one for next week and get ppl to sign up! Lets have fun again!!

Dem, try harder.

No posts about casual raids etc.

Organise.

Otherwise it's a cylic clown whine.

Adapt. Adopt. Advance.

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More than once I've heard people ingame asking for help to do some heroic instances and most of the times nobody aswered. I cannot help with heroic cause I haven't got any keys yet, but I know that alot of people have, and it surprices me alot to see noone answer when 23-28 people are online.....how come??

I have to agree with Vargas, at least when we are talking about heroic instances. Heroics take a lot of time, and I think many of us want to plan ahead.

I dont think it should be any problem to do orinary runs, if we do 5 man instances or quests we can start at 21.00 or 20.30 the days we dont have regular raids. To start with put a post both here and in group calander.

I totally agree with Alessi on this one.

The atmosphere has turned a lil colder. It is clear that hardcore raiders are numerically dominant in GC, and maybe because they are new, they don't feel compelled to greet and help like old clowns do.

I to have experienced the lack of help, and find it sad. It's not like the guild that I used to be part of.

I am a casual player, so therefor I have no problem with casual raiding being at a low. I do however have a problem with people having been turned down for raid section, having nowhere left to turn for help/raiding.

I think we should have some casual raids set up, and we need people to help out. Or else this system is obviously not working as intended.

Oh, and just wanted to add:

It's true that Pocket is a lil anal with planning stuff.

*hugs*

It would be really great to get some more views on this.......

My situation atm in wow's is very unhelpfull as well...

My work taking a lot of time for me atm. (Yes i'm often online.. but I'm not able to do anything in grp).
Beside that I have a small company (1 man a head, me and my self).. that also take some time.


I trying atm to get all farming I have to, to be a part of the raiding team (and raiding is the only part of WoW who get me stil playing it).




So beside all that I have't mutch time to be casual/helpfull...

I might missed you request for help Alessi, but I have't seen it... that for sure.

Levina- it's not about me not being able to get a group......I was just expressing my view on the times I have seen people ingame, not being answered by anyone about grouping!

But my post is about alot of other things- but maybe it's so long that people give up on reading it

Ofc it's a little colder with loads of new folks. And crowded places will never be intimate and cosy like clown was when there were only a few folks online. So those days are, I'm sorry to say to those who thought differently, gone, as long as we are building our numbers and bringing new faces weekly.

So please have a little patience and let things settle.

And also.. we have folks struggling to get to 70.. Lithiana, Aleksander, Hells plus many more. My guess is that all these would love a helping hand as well. Help goes both ways remember.. So if you don't get a group to help yourselves try to get a group so you can help others.
Like I did with Lithiana and Rudra here the other day. We cleared Mana tombs with ease! And had a great time doing it!

And use the things that can be used to get groups.. forums and groupcalendar and if those things don't work, then spam guildchat! Works for me every time!

I think that Light needs to come to the court soon though.. Time to step up and take your responsibility serious. Because things are clearly not 100% in the casual section atm.

So stay and have fun. There really is no better option out there anyhow

And all peps are't like vargas - who plan all every time in detail's..



I'm not.. thats why I don't have done any Heroic instant yet, whit Levina.
Thats why Vinslövjon more or less have't done ANY instant before he reached lvl 70.



I have argument a lot about it, and I can't stand the object any more.. so I'm in the shadows catch the help request and helping others (when I can), and at the same time my litle hunter got some intsant run's...

Standing in the shadows ain't funny.. but I'm calm!

Well I'm glad to know that getting a group works for some, but as we can see from this tread- some says that they haven't been good at helping others and others say that they have difficulties with getting a group, so let's face it...there are some problems with helping eachother....

And I for one would love to help people reach 70, but I haven't seen the requests to group.....as I mentioned in my first post, I've only seen the ones asking for help in heroic instances- but plz ask me ingame for help to reach 70, I'll help!

Sadly, Alessi is right guild chat is like a ghost chanel even when people are not raiding. Personaly I have given up asking for groups in guild chat as no answer from 15-30 people really just makes me want to log off, but again it depends who you are some ask for an istance run and you could get knocked down in the rush. Also some of the raiders have made it obvious that "they don't get out of bed for anything less than such and such an instance" Which is fine but statements like that don't help in guild chat, If you don't want to help guys best say nothing rather than "I am to good to be entering those kind of instances" So I have found it easier to not bother asking or offering which kinda defeats why we are in a guild and kinda makes playing Wow not so great.

Some Questions-
So when exactly does the casual arm of CLOWN start, remind me again who the casual sections leader is again? Who are the casual CLOWNS who want to raid? Why are there two question 8's? Why does toast always land butter side down?

I will carry on levelling my shaman which is great fun. My main character is being used to re-gank gankers when my shaman gets hit in STV.
Alessi Hun I for one will be very sad if you decide to leave.

Thx alot Billy- that means alot comming from you

Yes....I also noticed that comment ingame yesterday and thought it was a bit inapropriate(spelling).......but hey...

I think we have more than enough comments in this thread that shows we have some unhappy fellow members and I for one think it's sad and hope that we can help eachother to get back the fun with gaming instead of leaving

But for the benefit of the community I must say that for the future, topics like this are best addressed to the person in charge. So that he can take the appropriate actions.

This is indeed a big party pooper now that clown finally is having success raidwise. Sure it's sad that you feel that way, Alessi, but things will be ok.
Bad wibes seldom do any good to anybody..

Keep in mind that the major majority in clown now are having a supergreat time playing and things will only get better from here on.

Grinding will though take time from many, but most of all will playing with the ones you like the most to play with take most time. Just like it's supposed to be.. after all we pay to play this silly game and nobody shall tell others who they shall play with and that they don't help enough. For sure not in clown at least, as most here are "born helpers".. And no, Alessi, I am not saying that that is what you are saying, but something we all should keep in mind and not take offense off.

And btw! I DON'T GET OUT OF BED FOR LESS THAN DEADMINES!

(noticed it too )

And thats it from me on this matter.

err.. one more thing..
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave..

Woodhead wrote:

Keep in mind that the major majority in clown now are having a supergreat time playing and things will only get better from here on.

WHOOPDI DO WOOD, ALL THOSE HAVING A SUPER GREAT TIME ARE THE ONES DOING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WHICH IS RAID AND I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR BOTH ALESSI AND MYSELF WHEN I SAY WE BOTH WANTED TO BE IN THE RAID TEAM AND BOTH REJECTED FOR WHATEVER REASONS AND THE CHANCE TO IMPROVE ARE SKILLS, GEAR IS HARD WHEN ALL YOU HEAR IS "DO HEROIC DO HEROIC" HOW THE FECK DO WE DO HEROIC WHEN WE CANT GET A GROUP WITH THE PEOPLE WE LIKE PLAYING WITH WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO GET REP AND GET KEYS.
LETS BE HONEST HERE AND MAYBE SAY THINGS THAT WILL HURT PEOPLES FEELING SOME OF YOUR RAIDING BUDDIES HAVE THERE HEADS STUCK UP THERE OWN REAR END AND THINK THEY ARE TO GOOD TO GROUP WITH US LOW LIVES. FOR CHRISTS SAKE YOUR SECOND DRUID IS NOT ATTUNED TO KARA AND BY LOOKING AT LAST WEEKS POST SEEMS UNLIKLY TO BE ANYTIME BEFORE CHRISTMAS. WHY? BECAUSE NOBODY GIVES A TOSS YOUR IN THE RAID TEAM AND SOD EVERYONE ELSE. YOU REPLY THAT THE MAJORITY ARE HAVING A SUPER GREAT TIME IS CRASS AND INSULTING TO ALL THOSE WRITING HERE WHO ARE NOT HAVING A SUPER GREAT TIME.

i could have been to all the CLOWN PuGs there is, but then i would be stuck with no money and not regs for the raids, the last 3 days i have been farming for Primals, Cloth, Herbs, Food and money to get me through Karazhan

and i guess thats what i will be doing the days i dont raid

Hate Grinding, Love Raiding

Mags.

Calm down.

There is no place for caps mate.

We have offered you SHED loads of help. Serious amounts, put you just seem to prefer to rant.

I don't understand you...you have had the most offers of help but you don't seem to want to accept them.

All that you seem to be doing is pushing people further and further away so that come the time you DO decide to take advantage of the offers, they will be gone.

Like I say...I just don't understand.

Sascharim wrote:

i could have been to all the CLOWN PuGs there is, but then i would be stuck with no money and not regs for the raids, the last 3 days i have been farming for Primals, Cloth, Herbs, Food and money to get me through Karazhan and i guess thats what i will be doing the days i dont raid Hate Grinding, Love Raiding

WOOT.....HONESTY, TOTALLY RESPECT YOU MATE FOR SAYING THAT AND ITS TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE

Haegl wrote:

Mags. Calm down. There is no place for caps mate. We have offered you SHED loads of help. Serious amounts, put you just seem to prefer to rant. I don't understand you...you have had the most offers of help but you don't seem to want to accept them. All that you seem to be doing is pushing people further and further away so that come the time you DO decide to take advantage of the offers, they will be gone. Like I say...I just don't understand.

Haegl,
OK explain to me what I have to do I come on with Mags and ask "anyone want to do an instance"..........Silence I get frustrated I log out and log another toon then in guild chat a raid team member says "anyone want to do an instance" and he is swamped with offers
This has happend twice in the last week and you were in game on one of those occasions. I have offered to respec to healer but it has been ignored so I have given up with getting into the raid I want to stay in CLOWN so I will plod on levelling my shaman and with the help of friends will get to 70.

OK, for the benefit of an illustration, I will paste my raid feedback to you here.

Mags,

Thanks for the PM.

First thing I would like to reassure you about if possible, is that you are right...I am a grumpy old bastard. And the second thing is that ALL of my decisions are taken with the good of the raid team as a whole in mind.

Let me give you an example. Varg is probably one of my closest friends in game. Excellent healer; highly intuitive, ability to predict where damage will land due to knowing how aggro flows around the group, and a good use of mods to support him.

However, I told him that he didnt have a place in the raid team as a shadow priest. Nothing to do with whether we need SPs or not (cos we surely do) but more to do with the fact that he couldn't reliably produce 20% of the raid's damage. Yes, he had improved by playing shadow for a couple of weeks, but it wasn't anywhere near enough for me to justify him taking someone else's slot who COULD generate that damage.

OK. Now back to you. The first thing I would ask is what do you enjoy doing most on your druid? Perhaps that is the role that you should initially focus on in terms of skills and gear. If it's tanking then there are several things that we can do. And if its healing, again, there are several things that we can do.

In the case of tanking, you can focus on doing normal level groups of one particluar faction. This will give you the rep you need to then be able to do a heroic. The one I would recommend would either be Honour Hold or the Tempest Keep ones. Both of these come with a need to be able to tank more than one mob at a time, which is an essential skill. There are several posts on the class boards on Blizzard Europe and US that make interesting reading on this. Give them a look and compare them to your playstyle now...see if there is something that you can incorporate into it.

Next step. Practice. But NOT with people like Fez or me on Sorrow in the group...it's a bastard to keep aggro for anyone in that sort of scenario.

Instead, go with alts, or some of the pre-70 clowns who will give you a fighting chance of being able to build your skills.

Key tasks for the feral would be:

Ability to tank multiple mobs WHILE MAINTAINING crowd control from other classes (e.g. not using swipe and popping the sheep/seduce/hibernate).

Ability to instantaneously draw aggro from the healer.

Ability to reduce healing burden on healer section. Things like the form swapping, wild regeneration, use of shouts to reduce mob damage etc.

If you can do these two you are well on the way to getting a full grip of your class.

Things you can do outside of instances would include duoing with a caster. I took Tink down to the elite ogre area outside Gruul's lair and spent two hours with him trying to maintain aggro/pull aggro off me/manage CC'd mobs just so he had practice. I would be more than happy to do this with you to help you get your eye in.

As regards leaving Clown, that is always an option, but I wouldn't see it as a preferred option for anyone. It would be far better to work on getting your skills up and getting the satisfaction of knowing that you are doing a good job.

The art at the start is knowing what job you want to do though. Resto, Balance, Feral or hybrid.

Work out what you want to do, and then we can work out how to help you get there, and then get into the raid team.

Hope this helps. Just shout if you want to chew through it as we can always link up on TS and go through it real time rather than in text.

My end objective is to strenthen the raid team. We would be considerably augmented if we can get you to a point where you are the regular Off Tank for someone like Hefaistos and are the base tank section of the second or third weekly Kara teams. It will just take a bit of time and effort to get you there; it just seems like a lot at first, although in retrospect it won't seem much at all.

As you can see, it's up to YOU to decide what role you want.

If you want to re-spec to healer, then by all means do so. Once again, you will have a period of review if you want to go for the raid team, but in the role of a healer rather than a tank.

My advice on grouping is the same as Alessi...post it up, and give warning.

redbilly wrote:

Woodhead wrote: Keep in mind that the major majority in clown now are having a supergreat time playing and things will only get better from here on. WHOOPDI DO WOOD, ALL THOSE HAVING A SUPER GREAT TIME ARE THE ONES DOING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WHICH IS RAID AND I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR BOTH ALESSI AND MYSELF WHEN I SAY WE BOTH WANTED TO BE IN THE RAID TEAM AND BOTH REJECTED FOR WHATEVER REASONS AND THE CHANCE TO IMPROVE ARE SKILLS, GEAR IS HARD WHEN ALL YOU HEAR IS "DO HEROIC DO HEROIC" HOW THE FECK DO WE DO HEROIC WHEN WE CANT GET A GROUP WITH THE PEOPLE WE LIKE PLAYING WITH WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO GET REP AND GET KEYS. LETS BE HONEST HERE AND MAYBE SAY THINGS THAT WILL HURT PEOPLES FEELING SOME OF YOUR RAIDING BUDDIES HAVE THERE HEADS STUCK UP THERE OWN REAR END AND THINK THEY ARE TO GOOD TO GROUP WITH US LOW LIVES. FOR CHRISTS SAKE YOUR SECOND DRUID IS NOT ATTUNED TO KARA AND BY LOOKING AT LAST WEEKS POST SEEMS UNLIKLY TO BE ANYTIME BEFORE CHRISTMAS. WHY? BECAUSE NOBODY GIVES A TOSS YOUR IN THE RAID TEAM AND SOD EVERYONE ELSE. YOU REPLY THAT THE MAJORITY ARE HAVING A SUPER GREAT TIME IS CRASS AND INSULTING TO ALL THOSE WRITING HERE WHO ARE NOT HAVING A SUPER GREAT TIME.

HOLLY MOLLY! Caps stuck?? Shout elswhere, mate..

Talking about our second druid.. posting raids on raid days is generally not a smart idea it seems, as we in the raidingteam are the only ones who are supposed to help. Yeah, I said it..
So if he tries to get groups on other days he should be ok. Many of us have spent the last gaming days before the raid sections start to gather up on herbs etc. which leaves little time for helping others.

Insulting?? Is it insulting to say that the majority in clown are having a great time? Wake up and smell the roses, mate.. not the toilet.. The point was not to spread bad wibes now that clown is on it's way up. Posts like you do there, mags, help in what way??

What have you guys out of the raiding team done to improve your situation ? If you answer "nothing" you have no sympathy whatsoever from my side, mags.. And logging in and asking once in guildchat for a group does not qualify. The casual section have been up and running for almost three weeks now and I have yet to see a constructive post in here. Actually the first post I see in this matter is this one, where Alessi is thinking about leaving. Not constructive at all this one either imo. At least the name of the thread..

So get your act together and start to cooperate amongst the casual section as well. And do not lay it all out on Light, he is in charge yes, but damn.. you are grown ups! It is allowed to take initiative! Just like Ulf did.

Firstly

Woodie, Sorry about the caps was teo thirds through it when I spotted caps lock was on I tend not to look at the screen when typing.

Secondly

Woodie, The casual section has a leader or am I wrong was he not elected to kick things off such as find out who want to raid who is not in the raid section. What is the point posting here when we have no clue who are casual members because as you and others have said when your not raiding your gathering herbs etc etc which is totally understandable.So having raid section members sign for casual raids is not to be expected. That is also understandable.What is annoying is that asking if anyone wants to do an instance gets SILENCE unless you are a raid team member and then a raid is set up in minutes. Its great that CLOWN are raiding seriously and it seems to be going really well. But us who Sorrowful deems not good enough have no way of getting better with no raiding and thats how it is now if your not in the raid team.

Thirdly,

Haegl, Nobody is saying you have not offered to help but words in a PM will never make me or others any better. I have asked for help a couple of times and I will not get into the situation of begging for help so I have given up any ideas of joining a CLOWN raid group no matter how good I get.
So these are my last words regarding your raid team. I am now more than happy to be a member of the CLOWN community.

Lastly,

If my rant earlier upset anyone I apologies.

[quote="Woodhead"]But for the benefit of the community I must say that for the future, topics like this are best addressed to the person in charge. So that he can take the appropriate actions.

This was a whole post Wood with alot of things in it....it was not adressed to the casual guildmaster, only a few things.......

This is indeed a big party pooper now that clown finally is having success raidwise. Sure it's sad that you feel that way, Alessi, but things will be ok.
Bad wibes seldom do any good to anybody..

I'm very sorry Wood that you see my post as a party pooper, but I'm not the only one who feels that way as you can see. I don't think it's right to just quiet things down, when people feels bad.....

Keep in mind that the major majority in clown now are having a supergreat time playing and things will only get better from here on.

This thread is a very way of showing you and other people that not EVERYBODY are having a supergreat time playing at the moment, and it must be our goal to make sure that as close to everybody are having a great time, isn't it?!

Grinding will though take time from many, but most of all will playing with the ones you like the most to play with take most time. Just like it's supposed to be.. after all we pay to play this silly game and nobody shall tell others who they shall play with and that they don't help enough. For sure not in clown at least, as most here are "born helpers".. And no, Alessi, I am not saying that that is what you are saying, but something we all should keep in mind and not take offense off.

Yes.....we are all paying to play and that's why it's important that we all have a good time doing it, right?

Wood: NOBODY is telling others what to do with their gametime, but back in time CLOWN has always been a helpfull and funny guild, even before WOW.......

I come back to the reason of the post and have to agree with the fact that we need to help each others "a bit" more.
I see too often poeple asking help followed by silence.
If i remember good, poeple like Poluxx took weeks to have Kara key just because noone answered at his request to do instances or BM.
Annabella is also trying to have Kara key and do it with pug because of the non answering clowns.
I know its not always funny to do an instance for the 12th time when you have no personnal reason to go there, but clown must be helpfull.
I am sometimes also not in the mood to help (and i blame nobody in particular or even feel like an allways helpfull angel) but we should try to help ppl having what some of us already have.

Maybe trying to make some "helping night" would be usefull ( wednesday could be a day used to make instances for Kara Key or lvling instances).
And even if you think we dont need to do these instances at all because we dont have anything to grind there i answer : gold (greed is good) and enchanting mats (dreaming dust is tasty) are allways usefull.

One last thing : i hate poeple who only help when they have personal interest. If you dont want to help, dont ask "wich quest?" when help is needed, just say "i have time" or "sorry not at the moment", its really painfull to see poeple being selfish and refusing help with the answer "i already finished that sry".

I hope ill hurt noone with this post, just BRING IN THE CLOWN!

[quote="redbilly"]Firstly

Secondly

Woodie, The casual section has a leader or am I wrong was he not elected to kick things off such as find out who want to raid who is not in the raid section. What is the point posting here when we have no clue who are casual members because as you and others have said when your not raiding your gathering herbs etc etc which is totally understandable.So having raid section members sign for casual raids is not to be expected. That is also understandable.What is annoying is that asking if anyone wants to do an instance gets SILENCE unless you are a raid team member and then a raid is set up in minutes. Its great that CLOWN are raiding seriously and it seems to be going really well. But us who Sorrowful deems not good enough have no way of getting better with no raiding and thats how it is now if your not in the raid team.

I couldn't agree more

And by the way Wood......how come that the raid sections raids are set up by the raid guildmaster, when us in the casual section have to be grown ups and do it ourselves?!!

Sorry people I've clearly been very remiss.
I've been online a lot more than normal over the past two weeks but haven't picked up on any of this - forgive me or fire me whichever makes you happier

Personally I struggle to get a group too - I'm quite possibly the slowest levelling Clown that ever was and as a Holy spec priest soloing isn't something I find easy.

As casual GM I see it as my role to help YOU find answers to problems like this, no one person is strong enough to fix things for you but I'm prepared to rupture a disc helping you find a way to make things better.
I'm not directing this answer to anyone who's posted in this thread, more at anyone who's reading it still.
As far as I know there is no 'list' of casual Clowns, there is almost certainly a 'list' of raiding Clowns so if you're not in that one, you're in the other. But I think that if something is being organised of the 'shoeless' variety then it's open to everyone or at the very least at the discretion of the person organising it - there doesn't need to be a list of people who you can invite, anyone can come (or am I missing something?)

As I've said, this is the first I've been aware of the 'unhappiness' that seems so prevalent - it'd be easy for me to feel that I'm being criticised here but I've decided to not take that approach. I've received no mails, pms or whispers yet I've played with plenty of different clowns over the past two weeks (depending on which of you are prepared to step down to my level for an hour or two )
If you wanted a casual GM to arrange a lot of fun events for you and tell you who was going to be grouping with who and where you were going to go then I didn't read the application form properly - sorry.

Please keep talking about this.... let it be known what your frustrations are.
I will do everything that I can to help, I will try to use those of you who have skills to bridge the gaps that exist in the fun filled lunacy and dance to distract you where there are still gaps for now.
We have the Clowning at the end of the week and that's taken up most of my spare thinking time - there's also a few other things going on but the docs aren't sure what yet

Yada Yada Yada...

I dont like the fact that Alessi and mags seems to enjoy when others express that they are not happy in clowns.. Do you want many others to feel that way because YOU did not make it into the raidteam? Pls stop already. We went trough all this when we wanted to merge the 2 guilds. It will be persons that can not make the raiding team. Sad for them. If you want to raid post something about it and of it goes.. Logging in asking for group will at many times not give you a group and if you know if wont why not make a post for the things you need done and gather a group.. Hell call me if you need to and Ill help you

Regards

Ulf

Alessi wrote:

And by the way Wood......how come that the raid sections raids are set up by the raid guildmaster, when us in the casual section have to be grown ups and do it ourselves?!!

oh please... Because it is not getting done by any! Instead you complain!

Re. keeping things silent..
Well, Alessi.. You and I had this discussion before and you know my view on it. But there is a time or place for everything and clown at it's current state is not the time nor place for posts like this imo.
And I did not say that you should quiet it down. All worries or problems should be taken care of, but Light is the man you adress these things to first. Then take notice of the actions taken and if they not are satifactory then you can go out like you did here. This is the way I would like to se it being done at least.

ermm I can't lead you myself cause I'd get killed on the way to the instance.... but I'm trying to set something up.... i literally found out that there was a problem 24 mins ago.

I only know what people tell me... and no-one's told me anything yet, but I'm getting there

ulfberg wrote:

I dont like the fact that Alessi and mags seems to enjoy when others express that they are not happy in clowns.. Do you want many others to feel that way because YOU did not make it into the raidteam? Pls stop already. We went trough all this when we wanted to merge the 2 guilds. It will be persons that can not make the raiding team. Sad for them. If you want to raid post something about it and of it goes.. Logging in asking for group will at many times not give you a group and if you know if wont why not make a post for the things you need done and gather a group.. Hell call me if you need to and Ill help you Regards Ulf

I really don't know were you have seen or heard that either myself or Alessi are happy when others are not happy what total tosh you talk.
It has nothing to do with either of us not getting into the raid team. Its about there being nothing else in CLOWN but the raid team at the moment.
The reason I posted on this thread is that someone I like within CLOWN is not happy and is thinking about leaving. So someone is not happy and wants to leave do we all just say " bye bye Alessi we are all happy cya" and thats what it came over as from some posts here and it was not nice.
I will repeat "IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RAID TEAM" and "AT THE MOMENT THERE IS NO CASUAL CLOWN"

So make what ever you want happening to happen then..
I have not been around for last month but really it seems much better
then before merge day anyway does it not? In the dark age of clown it
was only the same 5-6 players doing instances.. Hell I mean if Hefaistos
was not online we where doomed (exagerating some).. Now atleast we
have the numbers for it.. all that is needed is a good kick in the arse of the sleepy ones and some initiativ. make it happen!!

I might be wrong but it seemed to me after reading all your posts and read then trough carefully that you where so eagered to get out the point that ppl where not happy that you where somewhat relived to hear you where not the only one.. thats all.. but lets not make that another flamy discussion. If you have had this on your heart I guess its good to get it out in the open.. but ofc it do tend to sound like you are only angry because being let out of the raidteam.. If that is not the case.. Good!

I vote Mags for Casual Section RL.

He can make it happen.

Own the problem, make it better.

Just want you all to look at this..... photos.datajack.org/cph0107/

[quote="ulfberg"]I dont like the fact that Alessi and mags seems to enjoy when others express that they are not happy in clowns..


My God! I can't believe you just said that!!!!!!!

You are just soo sweet Mini:)

Haegl wrote:

I vote Mags for Casual Section RL. He can make it happen. Own the problem, make it better.

Would you be up for this Mags?
This is an area that I'm not strong in so would appreciate someone with passion and the noodles to step up to the plate

Its so sad to see people get so frustrated with things that they feel the only way to go is to leave clown,i for one know this feeling well. I have been in alot of guild i would say more than any one person in clown and this problem is the same in all guilds i have been in. it is 1 of the main reasons i end up leaving cause it make people feel isolated, Auto hits it on the head realy it dont take 2 sec to say sorry i cant come or, that u got some RL things to do or even just say yes i can come with an alt. In my travels from guild to guild i have found that the more succsesfulll they become the further up there own arses they end up, always thinking what is in it for them and not thinking about the guild, to me guilds should not be called guilds it should be clicks united as everyone tends to end up in a click and these groups do stuff together normaly not thinking of anyone outside it.
to me a guild means that people within it help the fellow guild members not cause they get things out of it but cause they give something back to the guild, i have help lots of clowns and have recieved lots of help myself i find the more you do help people the more people will offer to help you when its needed, this is the whole reason for guilds, i have been told in the past that guilds are only there to get raids formrd, what utter bullshit, if someone cant go out of there way for 1 night or even a few hours to help a guild member then to me they should not be in a guild. i do agree that you could lead by example and put a run up on the web but more often than not this does not work cause ppl do not always frequent the forums.

"help your felow guild members, dont think whats in it for you, smile at the thanks you get for your trouble and never forget that 1 day you may need help and these peopel would always remeber your kindness", not everyone has a bag full of people they can ask upon. your in a guild that guild is called CLOWN and your all part of the bigger picture, if you do not feel this way my suggestion is go find a hard arsed guild that dont give a shit cause that all you are to your fellow clown.

I only know of 1 guild that activaly goes out of its way to help its members and that is Tainted, think on this that the more ppl are keyed up and attuned the more ppl you can call upon when you may need that healer or dps or tank also ppl do not always raid shit happens and people come and go so the more you have the bigger the pool of prople you can pull in when needed, there more u can keep a raid team within in a guild the more stable that becomes, help ppl train them up teach them what ever it takes and you will then be a proud guild that leads by its own standards and the more peopel hear of this the more you will become respected, i for 1 appalude any guild that would do this as it is not the norm in wow by along stretch.I could say dont be like the rest, be the best, but that sounds corny lol but true never the less

Help a clown a day, feel proud to be that way

PS for anyone who dont know i am back on allaince lvling a shaman (Dreane ftw), mainly cause of the reasons allessi is going through, i got pissed of with all the self centered people in guilds and have took time away from raiding to enjoy the task of just doing stressless stuff with no feelings of frustration. for me wow has lost alot of things and thats mainly due to the people playing it. Know i am just finding the fun that i had lost long ago. plus the tablets help

Minimon wrote:

Just want you all to look at this..... photos.datajack.org/cph0107/

Thx Mini, was fun to see them..

(Alessi, I still wating for some picture to be shared.... )